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Political views are formed by the shortcomings of a country, not the by the positive aspects. Sweden is pretty big on equality in all aspects of life right now, and from what I get it suffers under that too. Of course making everyone equal is a noce thought, but from a german, or lets say american point of view the way that coubtry shoves academical chances up people's asses seems almost awkward. It almost doesn't reward some people simply being better, when you can resit test oh so many times, have a right to pretty any course with out working your butt of for it, etc. Having no competition or actually no difficulties to get something doesn't bring out the best in people. What I mean is, that in a environment where there are no lows, are a less heights too, and there a bit more liberal or even right winged direction could be healthy even, at least for a time.
While in a country with highs and lows it's natural for the people to turn towards a more socialist pov...
which is basically what i think. I think I never really got into politics because I hate clubs and everything that resembles it. And I never understood why people would get stuck in parties that write one ideology on their banner when it's clear that they under other circumstance would make probably different politic too.
It's so limiting, it should be more down to common sense, than to being "social democrat" "liberal" or "conservative"...
If I wouldn't think human kind is to stupid to do it right I'd be anarchist.
What is your takes on politics? International and national?
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Just the other day Norways immigration-hostile party got 16% of the votes. Let's roughly count that half of the population votes... that's 400 000 peoples votes. It scares me to the bone. Swedens election is next year. Studies shows that the percentage for our racist party will get about 12% of the votes.
Everywhere I go, especially on the internet, I see people moaning about refugees getting subsidies, instead of getting the money themselves, by lowered taxes. I wonder: when did humanity stop to be an innate characteristic and instead became a political opinion?
Almost every day I see headlines about the benefits of the ruling right-wing partys lowered taxes. What we really should read, though, are: Here are the benefits of closing schools, libraries and health centers.
Nope, Sweden needs a new government, and luckily it seems that we're gonna get it next year.
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I don't know how this is exactly with Sverigedemokraterna, and if they are really votet for because of their take on immigrants, but the german aquivalent NPD has things in their programme that ARE important and even right, they just also happen to be facist pigs. I would like to say yes to some of their ideas to education, childcare, stuff like that, I just don't want to give them my vote, for obvious reason.
Ofcourse racism is extremely politcal uncorrect in germany, so they don't get as many votes because everyone is careful, but I dare say they'd get equal results without the history.
Immigration politics is sooo difficult to do right tho...
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No matter which party has most influence on my country my life will be the same. Society won't get fucked up because the wrong party gets too many votes. The worst people aren't even in a party, they are sitting in bombplanes.
Society thankfully fucks itself up. I'm waiting for the day that western civilization as we know it will collapse. And unless Hitler returns from the grave with an even more thought out plan nothing will change.
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GunsNCrüeSWE wrote: I honestly don't Care about politics.
No matter which party has most influence on my country my life will be the same. Society won't get fucked up because the wrong party gets too many votes. The worst people aren't even in a party, they are sitting in bombplanes.
Society thankfully fucks itself up. I'm waiting for the day that western civilization as we know it will collapse. And unless Hitler returns from the grave with an even more thought out plan nothing will change.
things WILL change if society is as deillusinated and numb and unintrested as you are. Things will just collapse, and then you all wonder why you never cared. Mark my words in 20 years... then again hope dies last.
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20 years? I don't think it will take that long. 15 years probably. I am not disillusioned, in fact I'm very hopeful.mrs v. viper wrote:
GunsNCrüeSWE wrote: I honestly don't Care about politics.
No matter which party has most influence on my country my life will be the same. Society won't get fucked up because the wrong party gets too many votes. The worst people aren't even in a party, they are sitting in bombplanes.
Society thankfully fucks itself up. I'm waiting for the day that western civilization as we know it will collapse. And unless Hitler returns from the grave with an even more thought out plan nothing will change.
things WILL change if society is as deillusinated and numb and unintrested as you are. Things will just collapse, and then you all wonder why you never cared. Mark my words in 20 years... then again hope dies last.
I am hopeful that it will collapse! I mean, that would be the ultimate victory. Politics won't save your life. And as it is now people refuse to believe it.
When the day comes and they will have to realize I will smile.
Of course, it will be a bit rough for me, for Everyone. But still Great.
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GunsNCrüeSWE wrote: 20 years? I don't think it will take that long. 15 years probably. I am not disillusioned, in fact I'm very hopefull.
I an hopefull that it will collapse! I mean, that would be the ultimate victory. Politics won't save your life. And as it is now people refuse to believe it.
When the day comes and they will have to realize I will smile.
thats a way to look at things ofc, but be careful what you wish for...
I'm watching the election results from Bavaria, and they are nothing but dissappointing. Not that I expect any sense from Bavaria, but it doesn't exactly make me hopeful for the nationwide elections next week.
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That's quite naive.GunsNCrüeSWE wrote: I honestly don't Care about politics.
No matter which party has most influence on my country my life will be the same. Society won't get fucked up because the wrong party gets too many votes. The worst people aren't even in a party, they are sitting in bombplanes.
Society thankfully fucks itself up. I'm waiting for the day that western civilization as we know it will collapse. And unless Hitler returns from the grave with an even more thought out plan nothing will change.
Yes, politics does indeed affect your everyday life. Maybe you won't notice it that much when you still live home with your parents, but...
What if you happend to get seriously sick? You will indeed notice if there's a ten week long waiting list to the operation board due to the right-wingers lowered taxes (and causing of hospitals closing). You will notice if your kids goes to a class that has 50-60 pupils in it and he/she suffers from pshysical illness due to not being seen by the teachers (because there's a lack of them due to the lowered taxes = lowered wages) etc.
You will notice if the system collapses, because at first you are gonna have a hard time to find a place to live - and if you do, the prices/rent will skyrocket. Eventually, you won't even be able to afford proper food. And that's just the start of it.
Yes, that is quite a naive point of view, in fact, I see it just as bullshit.
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That is the thing. Nobody would left right wing fanatics control. But I don't Care. I don't care if the line to the operation table is ten weeks long. If it will strike My family/me I would be sad. But my own sadness can't stand in the way.izzie wrote:
That's quite naive.GunsNCrüeSWE wrote: I honestly don't Care about politics.
No matter which party has most influence on my country my life will be the same. Society won't get fucked up because the wrong party gets too many votes. The worst people aren't even in a party, they are sitting in bombplanes.
Society thankfully fucks itself up. I'm waiting for the day that western civilization as we know it will collapse. And unless Hitler returns from the grave with an even more thought out plan nothing will change.
Yes, politics does indeed affect your everyday life. Maybe you won't notice it that much when you still live home with your parents, but...
What if you happend to get seriously sick? You will indeed notice if there's a ten week long waiting list to the operation board due to the right-wingers lowered taxes (and causing of hospitals closing). You will notice if your kids goes to a class that has 50-60 pupils in it and he/she suffers from pshysical illness due to not being seen by the teachers (because there's a lack of them due to the lowered taxes = lowered wages) etc.
You will notice if the system collapses, because at first you are gonna have a hard time to find a place to live - and if you do, the prices/rent will skyrocket. Eventually, you won't even be able to afford proper food. And that's just the start of it.
Yes, that is quite a naive point of view, in fact, I see it just as bullshit.
Hard time finding a place to live and proper food is nothing that will kill people.
The total chaos that would be a result will kill people. Maybe me. But still, it would be worth it.
A collapse of society is near and We can only hope for the worst.
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Recieving only the freedom i deserve. Being an individual rather than a citizen.
Of course I am supposed to back up my statements. But only like-minded would ever understand.
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"I am supposed to".
But I have nothing to achieve from This discussion so I don't even know why I entered in the first place.
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I never believe I could be free in that scenario. Infact, freedom is an illusion anytime you make it dependent from a scenario you live in. Saying "I would be free if" is extremely naive. Freedom is independency, not being bound. The concept of freedom being only able to exist in a certain world is an unresolvable paradox. Free is what you are, not what you are made by circumstances.
That being said I can't agree with you, although I understand why some people could think like you do.
And I'm not one of those people taht claim that everyone who isn't intersted in politics is ignorant, but yeah.. I agree with izzie.
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But This discussion is about to Leave to the topic Politics.
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My main reasoning was that tying the idea of freedom to a certain scenario must corrupt the concept "freedom" as such, because last time I checked freedom is something considered to be without boundaries.
and we are still discussing reasons for being intrested in/caring for politics, so we're not more off topic than other threads on this board, but if you lack teh arguments against me that would be necessary to continue this discussion then thats perfectly fine with me

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My vision and dream of a collapsed society is nothing born from a wish of being able to say "told ya".
To paint a scenario: It is up to me if the world would end tomorrow. But God reminds me that me and my family would die as Well. I would never doubt to just blow the world away.
And this is just about my view on politics aswell. We are standing on verge of a collapse and I wouldn't ever try to stop this because I fear that my personal situation would get worse.
Therefore politics are irrelevant for me. No matter if I will vote left or right this the future we are heading for.
Does This make a bit more sense?
I'll try to figure out how to explain what I meant with "freedom" for now.
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GunsNCrüeSWE wrote: All right, I'll give it a Try.
My vision and dream of a collapsed society is nothing born from a wish of being able to say "told ya".
I never thought it would. I only put my reasons for wishing for a collapse and the reasons I don't think it would work for me anyway in contrast to your reasoning for wishing for a collapse and went on explaining why I believe your reasons, which if I understood was a wish to be free, don't really work in my opinion either. I just can't see any way anybody would be any more "free" in that scenario.
I do understand that some people would say that a prisoner is more free if the walls of his prison break down and he can walk wherever he wants, but I would only agree with that to a small extend.
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