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15 years 8 months ago #62968
by waspgirl
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Yeah, well, I guess you're off topic here but I'm not gonna moderate this thread (unless it gets ugly 
) so feel free to discuss things as long as you keep it friendly yeah?
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15 years 8 months ago #62979
by tommi l?zzive
ya can plant a Dog or a Cat, the only thing is i don't know what might come out from that xDD!!!!
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Raksu 13 wrote: yeah i know pollen flies in the air and that it's like the male figure of those plants that have seeds.. BUT (and that was my point) when you grow plants (like farming them as it were) or vegetables in this case, you do HAVE TO plant them, they just don't reproduce themselves even if they have polen or not..
because most of the times pollen never gets to its final destination and it ends up on the floor and merges with the soil.. and then it's just a useless grain of powder, that doesn't make a plant.
but that's going off topic now..
ya can plant a Dog or a Cat, the only thing is i don't know what might come out from that xDD!!!!
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15 years 8 months ago #62992
by andy83
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Anyway, reading all the posts of this threat it's clear that anyone won't change his/her mind. So...
Let's talk 'bout the plants and their sexual (or asexual) reproduction!! xDDD
WaspGirl, I love those pics you have of Nikki.
See ya later, I have to go to work!!
Let's talk 'bout the plants and their sexual (or asexual) reproduction!! xDDD
WaspGirl, I love those pics you have of Nikki.
See ya later, I have to go to work!!
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15 years 8 months ago #62997
by waspgirl
So do I...
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Andy83 wrote: WaspGirl, I love those pics you have of Nikki.
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15 years 8 months ago #63002
by tea
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I haven`t eaten meat (chicken, pork, cow, shrimps) for five years now.But I eat eggs(biologically produced), milk and fish. I think plants can`t be hurted or can`t suffer, cos they have no nerves. Fish usually have quite good life, cos they live free exept those breeded ones. I`m not against killing animals, but the thing that they are "products" in factories.
I know my choise is not going to stop anything, but I know that if you give good example with your life, someone will allways listen.I don`t think that everybody should stop eating meat, but I think for those who eat it everyday, should have sometimes day, that they don`t.It is not healthy(forexample there is much colesterole in it) to eat meat all the time and it is not good for the world. Producing meat causes so much gases which forexample causes our climate warming..
I have little problems with my kiddnies, so my blood is tested SO many times.So I know now that I don`t have more deficiency of vitamins now than then when I did eat meat.I had lack of iron allready then and it is the same now..Eating meat didn`t help it And my doctor have said many times, that there is nothing wrong with my "diet" and there is no reason, why I should start eating meat..
NO One cannot save the world by themselves, but think about how this World would be like, if no one cares about anything!So it is THe LITTLE THINGS that counts!
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^there is some "stuff" in finnish..I`m a member of that "club".We do much work for example for abanded pets..
I know my choise is not going to stop anything, but I know that if you give good example with your life, someone will allways listen.I don`t think that everybody should stop eating meat, but I think for those who eat it everyday, should have sometimes day, that they don`t.It is not healthy(forexample there is much colesterole in it) to eat meat all the time and it is not good for the world. Producing meat causes so much gases which forexample causes our climate warming..
I have little problems with my kiddnies, so my blood is tested SO many times.So I know now that I don`t have more deficiency of vitamins now than then when I did eat meat.I had lack of iron allready then and it is the same now..Eating meat didn`t help it
And my doctor have said many times, that there is nothing wrong with my "diet" and there is no reason, why I should start eating meat..NO One cannot save the world by themselves, but think about how this World would be like, if no one cares about anything!So it is THe LITTLE THINGS that counts!
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^there is some "stuff" in finnish..I`m a member of that "club".We do much work for example for abanded pets..
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15 years 8 months ago #63011
by drlama
WORD!
My parents are vegetarians :/
That's good I suppose...
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Tea wrote: So it is THe LITTLE THINGS that counts!
WORD!
My parents are vegetarians :/
That's good I suppose...
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15 years 8 months ago #63022
by mimz
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars"
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my another big sister eats only chicken but no other meat..my whole other family eat meat, i eat some meat..not so often that else does. And i really love animals, but i'm not vegetarian. I think you can love animals even you eat meat.
My stepfather, (which i hate) hates animal and hunts them every weekend. he would love to shoot every animal from our garden but i've said that if he does it, it's not good for him. we have foxs and that kinda little animals in here. i see them very often, sneaking out here!
My stepfather, (which i hate) hates animal and hunts them every weekend. he would love to shoot every animal from our garden but i've said that if he does it, it's not good for him. we have foxs and that kinda little animals in here. i see them very often, sneaking out here!
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15 years 8 months ago #63024
by drlama
Not so cool They're hippies! (That's cool though)
It is good for our earth in many ways. It's good that they don't jut sit back and expect the word to deal with it's problems itself. They keep away from meat which is good cuz it takes alot of energy and stuff to process meat. That's bat for the environment. It's also good because they contribute to keeping animals alive. Like you said, why shouldn't they have the same right to live on this earth as we do?
I do still eat meat even It has many downsides alot of protein is needed when growing up. It is very likely that I will do the same as my parents when I grow older. Today I ate ROSTBIFF! But I felt sorry for the cow 
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crashbear. wrote:
DrLama wrote: My parents are vegetarians :/
That's good I suppose...
Yeah! both vegetarians!? that's really good and cool!
So are you still eating meat when you are at home if you are eating together with them
or are you doing your own food or something?!?
Not so cool
They're hippies! (That's cool though) It is good for our earth in many ways. It's good that they don't jut sit back and expect the word to deal with it's problems itself. They keep away from meat which is good cuz it takes alot of energy and stuff to process meat. That's bat for the environment. It's also good because they contribute to keeping animals alive. Like you said, why shouldn't they have the same right to live on this earth as we do?
I do still eat meat even It has many downsides alot of protein is needed when growing up. It is very likely that I will do the same as my parents when I grow older. Today I ate ROSTBIFF!
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10 years 4 months ago - 10 years 4 months ago #143655
by Fhina
Replied by Fhina on topic Vegetarian or, Vegan
*rummage-rummage* Look what I've found!
Still vegetarians/vegans here? First of all, I really don't wanna start a fight or anything, just wanna share my opinion.
I also live vegetarian, at home even vegan. I don't see the reason why an animal has to suffer just for the sake that I can eat meat or drink milk. There are awesome alernatives, like soy products you can prepare the same way like you would with meat. I often make vegan "Schnitzel" and there's no difference in the taste. And if we look at it from that point of few: just meat is almost tasteless, what people makes likeing meat is the spices and the way it is prepared. There are soy milk, rice milk, almond milk etc. all awesome alternatives, there's even a product called "No-Egg" and it's a great egg replacement in cookies etc. So, vegetarians/vegans can get all the nutrients they need from a 100% plant based diet, it just needs a lot of effort, knowledge, planning and some time more in the kitchen!
PS: I lived RAW-Vegan this summer and did awesome!
ME LIKES!
Yes, it's true, That's so sick! It's like "But these animals are made to be eaten". Yeah sure.
Ever thought about on how much stuff these animals eat in order for them to grow fast, stay "healthy" etc. And all the emotions (fear, anger) they go through? No? There you go.
The movie earthlings should be shown in schools...
Plants don't have a central nervous system like humans and animals do and therefore they can't feel pain. End!
As I said, I don't wanna offence anybody! Love&Peace!
Still vegetarians/vegans here? First of all, I really don't wanna start a fight or anything, just wanna share my opinion.
I also live vegetarian, at home even vegan. I don't see the reason why an animal has to suffer just for the sake that I can eat meat or drink milk. There are awesome alernatives, like soy products you can prepare the same way like you would with meat. I often make vegan "Schnitzel" and there's no difference in the taste. And if we look at it from that point of few: just meat is almost tasteless, what people makes likeing meat is the spices and the way it is prepared. There are soy milk, rice milk, almond milk etc. all awesome alternatives, there's even a product called "No-Egg" and it's a great egg replacement in cookies etc.
So, vegetarians/vegans can get all the nutrients they need from a 100% plant based diet, it just needs a lot of effort, knowledge, planning and some time more in the kitchen!PS: I lived RAW-Vegan this summer and did awesome!
peterlondon wrote: I'm a proud vegetarian as well. You will always meet alot of resistance because of your choice, even from your own parents... Don't let them grind ya down and keep believing in what YOU think is right. And never forget to rock like fuck on yer way
EDIT: If you wanna survive as a vegetarian you really have to do lot's of reading about how to get all the nourishment and shit you need. You don't have to eat pillz as long as you know what to eat. And this subject is to big to cover in a single post here so I'll recommend you to google for it if you don't have friends with the same opinions in this matter.
//LONDON
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peterlondon wrote:
Kalypso wrote: EDIT: And I forgot:
In german language, we have an awful expression for those animals. Cows, pigs and Co. are called "Nutztiere", which means animals for usage. I hate this word. As if those animals would be liveless things!
I've heard many sikk things in my life but this is definately on my top 3 list. fukk. that's extremely sikk... what kind of person invented that word??? fukk...... I'm ashamed to a human being. But I don't really belong anywayz... hoho.
//LONDON
Yes, it's true, That's so sick! It's like "But these animals are made to be eaten". Yeah sure.
Ever thought about on how much stuff these animals eat in order for them to grow fast, stay "healthy" etc. And all the emotions (fear, anger) they go through? No? There you go.
The movie earthlings should be shown in schools...
andy83 wrote: Ok, we're discussing 'bout the feelings of animals and the pain they can suffer when they're hunted (of course they do. I must say that I love animals.).
Just one question to all of you. Please, DO NOT WANT to make a battleground. It's just a (philosophical) retorical question.
If animals have pain, feelings and the same things we have. ¿Why not plants, too?
I mean, they are living beings, too. They grow up, they reproduce thanx to their seeds, and finally they die.
If they do the same as animals and humans, ¿why they wouldn't be able to feel things, like pain?.
If they do,.. so then we couln'd eat them 'coz they suffer too when they're pulled up or cut.
Some people talk to their flowers and they play the radio for them.
I don't know if I have explained myself...
Anyway... It's just a mental delirium.
Have just woken up and haven't had breakfast yet... My mind is like a messy thing
Plants don't have a central nervous system like humans and animals do and therefore they can't feel pain. End!
As I said, I don't wanna offence anybody!
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10 years 4 months ago #143699
by mrs v. viper
that is not entirely true. we can't know if they feel pain or not. it's true that they don't have a central nerve system, but they do have something very simliar to nerves at least, communicate with it even. They nerve system isn't that far below from the one of for exemple a spider, which we think of as capable of feeling pain.
So I'd say we can be sure they don't feel pain as we do, but HOW or IF they feel is something we just can't know.
I have a hell of alot respect for animals, but I am not a vegetarian, nor do I plan to become one.
I know many very active (active as in promoting) vegans and vergetarians, and I know that my "cold bloodedness" in this matter gets very little understanding, but thats just how it is. I've grown up on a farm, I've killed pigs myself with my own hand and I've seen the life leave their eyes. It was just something natural since I can remember for me.
For me, it was also more about how a being lives, than how he dies. If I buy meat today, I always look that I can be sure they could leave their stable on a meadow, have enough room, etc. i.e. I makes sure they have a good life as possible. That being said, as meat like that is very expensive, I eat very little of it, and I can always picture the animal how it was when it lived.
I think that in particular is something problematic. People these days eat meat without thinking about what they are doing. If I tell someone "this is how you slaughter a pig" they go all "eww I dont wanna hear this" yeat they love to eeat their schnitzel.
I can say for myself that I am different than those people. It's not like I never thought about how if it is pkay that an living feeling being has to die for me. I have, but also it was just also always the natural way for me. I know this is hard to understand how someone can just conciously make the decision of "yes, this animal will die for me", but again, this is something you fee different about when you grow up with it skin tight. I don't want to defend myself, I know I'm somewhat "evil" with this, but try to explain the concept of vegetarians to a nature tribe in south america. it's a simliar thing. It's just the way things are. yet you won't find those tribes cage their animals in stables like it's done here to provide food.
also I have to say, I have tried all the soy food and no-egg and stuff, and sorry but it DOES taste different. also, how ever shitty this is, these products are more expensive than meat and theres times when I have trouble to get pasta on the table because I'm constantly broke (try aet school, this is not a cliche) I suffer from chronical iron lack and don't react on iron supplies, and need my weekly dose of iron desperatly.
again, I don't want to defend myself I think it's a good that people decide to go for it put of ethnical reasons, but it's not a way for me. esp. because I am not 100% sure if plants can't feel afzter all.
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Replied by mrs v. viper on topic Vegetarian or, Vegan
Fhina wrote: Plants don't have a central nervous system like humans and animals do and therefore they can't feel pain. End!
that is not entirely true. we can't know if they feel pain or not. it's true that they don't have a central nerve system, but they do have something very simliar to nerves at least, communicate with it even. They nerve system isn't that far below from the one of for exemple a spider, which we think of as capable of feeling pain.
So I'd say we can be sure they don't feel pain as we do, but HOW or IF they feel is something we just can't know.
I have a hell of alot respect for animals, but I am not a vegetarian, nor do I plan to become one.
I know many very active (active as in promoting) vegans and vergetarians, and I know that my "cold bloodedness" in this matter gets very little understanding, but thats just how it is. I've grown up on a farm, I've killed pigs myself with my own hand and I've seen the life leave their eyes. It was just something natural since I can remember for me.
For me, it was also more about how a being lives, than how he dies. If I buy meat today, I always look that I can be sure they could leave their stable on a meadow, have enough room, etc. i.e. I makes sure they have a good life as possible. That being said, as meat like that is very expensive, I eat very little of it, and I can always picture the animal how it was when it lived.
I think that in particular is something problematic. People these days eat meat without thinking about what they are doing. If I tell someone "this is how you slaughter a pig" they go all "eww I dont wanna hear this" yeat they love to eeat their schnitzel.
I can say for myself that I am different than those people. It's not like I never thought about how if it is pkay that an living feeling being has to die for me. I have, but also it was just also always the natural way for me. I know this is hard to understand how someone can just conciously make the decision of "yes, this animal will die for me", but again, this is something you fee different about when you grow up with it skin tight. I don't want to defend myself, I know I'm somewhat "evil" with this, but try to explain the concept of vegetarians to a nature tribe in south america. it's a simliar thing. It's just the way things are. yet you won't find those tribes cage their animals in stables like it's done here to provide food.
also I have to say, I have tried all the soy food and no-egg and stuff, and sorry but it DOES taste different. also, how ever shitty this is, these products are more expensive than meat and theres times when I have trouble to get pasta on the table because I'm constantly broke (try aet school, this is not a cliche) I suffer from chronical iron lack and don't react on iron supplies, and need my weekly dose of iron desperatly.
again, I don't want to defend myself
I think it's a good that people decide to go for it put of ethnical reasons, but it's not a way for me. esp. because I am not 100% sure if plants can't feel afzter all.Sorry if anyone lost respect for me right now.
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10 years 4 months ago #143707
by Fhina
Okay, tastes are different and I respect that, but there are still million of ways on HOW you can prepare soy/tofu
And I personally made the experience, that the soy I use isn't more expensive than meat...I always use TVP and about 200gr of these kind of soy "steaks" cost me like max. 2,50 € and out of 200gr of this try stuff, I easily get about 600gr of ready made steak... But might just be that there's no difference here in Finland, as anyway everything is just freaking expensive (not talking about Sweden, Denmark or Norway where things are even more expensive than here...).
And I am broke too, each and every month...and I need to live on max. 100 € (for food!) to be able to still have a life with going out etcetc.
But if this your opinion, that's still fine. We all know, that opinions are like assholes and everyone has one...
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mrs v. viper wrote: also I have to say, I have tried all the soy food and no-egg and stuff, and sorry but it DOES taste different. also, how ever shitty this is, these products are more expensive than meat and theres times when I have trouble to get pasta on the table because I'm constantly broke (try aet school, this is not a cliche) I suffer from chronical iron lack and don't react on iron supplies, and need my weekly dose of iron desperatly.
Okay, tastes are different and I respect that, but there are still million of ways on HOW you can prepare soy/tofu
And I personally made the experience, that the soy I use isn't more expensive than meat...I always use TVP and about 200gr of these kind of soy "steaks" cost me like max. 2,50 € and out of 200gr of this try stuff, I easily get about 600gr of ready made steak... But might just be that there's no difference here in Finland, as anyway everything is just freaking expensive (not talking about Sweden, Denmark or Norway where things are even more expensive than here...).
And I am broke too, each and every month...and I need to live on max. 100 € (for food!) to be able to still have a life with going out etcetc.
But if this your opinion, that's still fine. We all know, that opinions are like assholes and everyone has one...
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10 years 4 months ago #143722
by mrs v. viper
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Replied by mrs v. viper on topic Vegetarian or, Vegan
yeah I get it. I have less for food, then again, I'm not living in finland.
I compared prices here out of curiosity, and since I get meat pretty cheap from old farm contacts it's definatly cheaper for me.
very possible that if I tried harder I could get cheaper with it, but then again, that would mean ALOT more time in the kitchen aswell, and since I hate cookinng and time is money too it's not really an option..
also I absolutely don't have doubts that you can make great food out of soy/tofu as I said I know some vegan activists, and they make pretty amazing stuff with it, but still it's different than meat... I just don't have any motivation to go vegetarian.
although I guess my nowadays standards I almost am one, since I don't even eat it once a week... in the old days that was a normal and good amount where animals and people could very nicely coexist, sadly that got wiped away by this awful all american everything available at all times at no matter what cost mentality :/
(as you can see I do care about those poor caged things too)
I compared prices here out of curiosity, and since I get meat pretty cheap from old farm contacts it's definatly cheaper for me.
very possible that if I tried harder I could get cheaper with it, but then again, that would mean ALOT more time in the kitchen aswell, and since I hate cookinng and time is money too it's not really an option..
also I absolutely don't have doubts that you can make great food out of soy/tofu
as I said I know some vegan activists, and they make pretty amazing stuff with it, but still it's different than meat... I just don't have any motivation to go vegetarian.although I guess my nowadays standards I almost am one, since I don't even eat it once a week... in the old days that was a normal and good amount where animals and people could very nicely coexist, sadly that got wiped away by this awful all american everything available at all times at no matter what cost mentality :/
(as you can see I do care about those poor caged things too
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10 years 3 months ago #145112
by Fhina
Yeah, this one Asia-store in Hakaniemi is awesome
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kaksoisv wrote: ou can get cheaper cooking materials from ethnic- and organic stores(at least in Finland)
Yeah, this one Asia-store in Hakaniemi is awesome
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10 years 3 months ago #145198
by Fhina
Replied by Fhina on topic Vegetarian or, Vegan
Yeah, it isn't really more expensive...as I said...there's no difference to me I guess meat is here even more expensive
I guess meat is here even more expensive
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10 years 3 months ago - 10 years 3 months ago #145567
by Fhina
Replied by Fhina on topic Vegetarian or, Vegan
I didn't said meat eater are bad persons or evil but one thing is funny: as soon as you post sth. about vegetarism or veganism so many, OF COURSE NOT ALL!!!, say that you shove your opinion in their faces, but that we get all the time pictures with meat shove in our faces, takes nobody into account. As I said, I don't think that people who eat meat are bad or evil and I am not judging them because of that!
but one thing is funny: as soon as you post sth. about vegetarism or veganism so many, OF COURSE NOT ALL!!!, say that you shove your opinion in their faces, but that we get all the time pictures with meat shove in our faces, takes nobody into account. As I said, I don't think that people who eat meat are bad or evil and I am not judging them because of that!
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10 years 3 months ago - 10 years 3 months ago #145629
by mrs v. viper
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Replied by mrs v. viper on topic Vegetarian or, Vegan
I suppose this is one of those sad examples where a minority makes a whole group of simliar thinking people look bad :/
Just some are pretty unbearable about it and make me rugulary feel as if they see me as some kind of moral monster :/ which I think I'm not, even if I might be a bit... reckless? when it comes to this particular topic.
i didn't mean you at all btw
Just some are pretty unbearable about it and make me rugulary feel as if they see me as some kind of moral monster :/ which I think I'm not, even if I might be a bit... reckless? when it comes to this particular topic.
i didn't mean you at all btw
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10 years 3 months ago #145640
by Fhina
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I know - just saying!
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