Vegetarian or, Vegan

Glam-Metal94 wrote: I'm vegetarian and, I dont know if I should believe this but my dad said that by eating no meat you will get flat meaning that your ass and face would be flat...

Jesus Christ - of course not.

I was vegetarian for a year or so, a few years back. Check out what nutritional suppliments you might need. Vitamin B12 is one of them. There are supplimental pills you can buy that'll get you all the B12 plus other things that you need. It's pretty cheap stuff too. You can pick it up at your local health food store. The setback - apart from not getting to eat bacon - is that you'll need to be pretty aware of your nutritional intake. Then again, I don't think my dad has eaten a vegetable in 25 years - my point being; I think lots of non-vegetarians do NOT get essential nutrition, and particularly not enough fibre. This ties in with the prevalence of colon cancer in people around 50+ in the Western world. Colon cancer is virtually unheard of in vegetarians.

(London, apparently, has a very healthy colon, as demonstrated in the DVD )

Rumor has it that vegetarian food will cause your left foot to grow one shoesize after five years, though - but the jury is still out on that one.

(And yes, I'm being very sarcastic here. And a jerk. =D)

I'm thinking of going veggie again... there is no dispute that the meat industry is mass slaughter with very little regard for suffering, and I applaud anyone who goes vegetarian. I can obviously live with that, since I still eat meat. But I've found I eat more and more veggie food these days. We'll see. ("Intresseklubben" is probably taking notes as we speak.)

Andy83 wrote: In an Asian country (don't remember which one ), people eat dogs! and in other places they eat cockroaches, snakes...

Yeah, I know, and the ways they kill them are horrible. They either lock them up in tiny cages and drown them, or beat them to death with sticks.
Nice way to die...

And if I remember correctly, it's in China they eat dogs, but I'm not sure.

Andy83 wrote: [...] islamic people are not allowed to eat anything made with pig.

That's because they consider the pig to be a dirty animal, who spends its life rolling around in shit.
A happy pig is a dirty pig!

Tigerheart wrote: A happy pig is a dirty pig!

Of course!!

The more happiest they are, the more appetizing they become!!
nyum-nyum!!

...

Just joking

I eat cars...

there is nothing better than sticking a fork in a piece of meat and enjoying it!!!!!! Try it, you'll love it

peterlondon wrote:

Tigerheart wrote: Btw, I don't eat meat. I wouldn't eat my pets, so why eat other animals? Cheers! ^__^[/color]

You got that rite . Eating a pig or a cow or even a horse seems to be ok but not a dog or a cat. The day someone can explain the difference to me I promise to start eating meat again.

Yeah, that day I'd maybe start eating meat again, too. I mean, if you eat a cat then it's considered sick, but eating a cow isn't sick. Why? A cow gets as attached to its owner if it's loved as a cat, maybe even more...

peterlondon wrote: CWhellfukk - you don't need to eat suppliments as long as you have some knowledge and plan your meals properly.... I'm tired of the big myth that vegetarians need to eat pillz to get by. It just takes a bit of extra work & planning . But if you really believe in not eating meat it's no problem - it's a hobby hehe.

Well, girls who are vegetarians often need extra iron added, since they loose more blood than guys, if you know what I mean, ahahaha.


Hmmm, I've quoted Peter alot now...

peterlondon wrote: Sorry for my ignorance, you're probably 100% rite here. Again.

//LONDON

Nothing to be sorry for, it's quite easy not to think of that. Not even girls think about it, even if they should. Then maybe some of them wouldn't be so moody...

peterlondon wrote:

Tigerheart wrote: Btw, I don't eat meat. I wouldn't eat my pets, so why eat other animals? Cheers! ^__^[/color]

You got that rite . Eating a pig or a cow or even a horse seems to be ok but not a dog or a cat. The day someone can explain the difference to me I promise to start eating meat again.

(fukk I didn't wanna participate in this discussion.... but too many drinks makes london talk... hoho...)

//LONDON

That's exactly what I was trying to explain on the first page. No matter if you kill a cow or a cat, they are both living beings who feel pain as much as we do. If I was "lost in the jungle" with great hunger and would meet a pig, I'd probably give the pig my last berries because "it looked so sad and hungry"

EDIT: And I forgot:
In german language, we have an awful expression for those animals. Cows, pigs and Co. are called "Nutztiere", which means animals for usage. I hate this word. As if those animals would be liveless things!

Kalypso wrote: If I was "lost in the jungle" with great hunger and would meet a pig, I'd probably give the pig my last berries because "it looked so sad and hungry"

Yeah, me too! And I'd pet it and say "oink!".

Honestly, I would. ._.



And btw, Kalypso, that thing about the "Nutztiere", that's just awful! I had no idea that a word like that even existed. o_o

peterlondon wrote: hoho..... you seem to be extremely wise tigerheart.... and I adore wisdom. keep it up!!!

//LONDON

Thank you! That actually really means alot to me, if you only knew... I've always been told I'm stupid, for doing what I feel is the best.
But I've learned that knowledge helps you defeat the simple minded ones, and it is the simple minded ones who pick on people.
So hearing something like this from someone you look up to, it really cheers me up!

Thats awful.. People could be so cruel to animals, There just like us they have feelings too. I still need some suggestions on what kind of foods are good for Vegans/Vegetarians. And how to stay healthy when being a Vegan/Vegetarian...

Tigerheart wrote: And once again, Peter steps in and saves the day.

I'm a vegetarian (for a little over a year now). I think I eat quite healthy...I eat a lot of those health food meals (which are very high in protein) so hopefully anyway. I don't eat as many vegetables as I should, but I love fruit

Ok, we're discussing 'bout the feelings of animals and the pain they can suffer when they're hunted (of course they do. I must say that I love animals.).

Just one question to all of you. Please, DO NOT WANT to make a battleground. It's just a (philosophical) retorical question.

If animals have pain, feelings and the same things we have. ¿Why not plants, too?

I mean, they are living beings, too. They grow up, they reproduce thanx to their seeds, and finally they die.

If they do the same as animals and humans, ¿why they wouldn't be able to feel things, like pain?.

If they do,.. so then we couln'd eat them 'coz they suffer too when they're pulled up or cut.

Some people talk to their flowers and they play the radio for them.

I don't know if I have explained myself...

Anyway... It's just a mental delirium.

Have just woken up and haven't had breakfast yet... My mind is like a messy thing

you have to plant a seed to get a plant.. and wait until the plant gives fruit or dries or dies to get new seeds and have more plants.. you can't compare a plant to an animal and everyone knows that, even if they are alive in a way too.
None plants animals, animals are able to reproduce themselves as well as human beings, so breeding them for later slaughter is way different than eating plants and growing them for consumption. But if you think it's the same.. then animal farming should be to you as bizarre as the idea of human farming or manslaughter.. because if plants are living beings, so are animals, and animals are way closer to us earthlings.

EDIT: besides, plants and vegetables don't feel pain. they have a different nervous system than the rest of alive beings

peterlondon wrote:

Kalypso wrote: EDIT: And I forgot:
In german language, we have an awful expression for those animals. Cows, pigs and Co. are called "Nutztiere", which means animals for usage. I hate this word. As if those animals would be liveless things!

I've heard many sikk things in my life but this is definately on my top 3 list. fukk. that's extremely sikk... what kind of person invented that word??? fukk...... I'm ashamed to a human being. But I don't really belong anywayz... hoho.

//LONDON

The person who invented this word must have been someone without a heart! But it shows clearly how animals are treaten in our "great" society...like things. Like property. There is a wise saying from Mahatma Gandhi:

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treaten."

Our nation doesn't seem to have made a huge progress yet.

Andy83 wrote: I mean, they are living beings, too. They grow up, they reproduce thanx to their seeds, and finally they die.

If they do the same as animals and humans, ¿why they wouldn't be able to feel things, like pain?.

If they do,.. so then we couln'd eat them 'coz they suffer too when they're pulled up or cut.

Some people talk to their flowers and they play the radio for them.

i rather smoke 'em....hahahaha =D

Tommi Lippstikk wrote: i rather smoke 'em....hahahaha =D

xD

Raksu 13 wrote: you have to plant a seed to get a plant..

I think you're wrong darlin', what 'bout pollen? It's a kind of seeds.

Or some ones just fall on the ground.

It's not necessary our action in their process of recreation.

Petonets wapeta!!

yeah i know pollen flies in the air and that it's like the male figure of those plants that have seeds.. BUT (and that was my point) when you grow plants (like farming them as it were) or vegetables in this case, you do HAVE TO plant them, they just don't reproduce themselves even if they have polen or not..
because most of the times pollen never gets to its final destination and it ends up on the floor and merges with the soil.. and then it's just a useless grain of powder, that doesn't make a plant.

but that's going off topic now..

Raksu 13 wrote: but that's going off topic now..

ahaha, sure. We'll finally talk 'bout the reproduction of plants!! xD